
● Karen Domino (UWashington): Incidence is low…do we need a responsible provider?
● Gaurav Katta (Henry Ford):I think we should have everyone as the responsible provider.
The rate is so low I think it's wise to make everyone aware.
● Alvin Stewart (University of Arkansas) via chat: But the pacu provider is not documented
on a timeline. So that person will not be notified. The department quality officers would
like an overall measure.
○ Nirav Shah: Only intraop providers would be made aware given the MPOG
infrastructure (not all PACU providers are submitted as part of the extract)
● Marc Pimentel (BWH) via chat: Agree - the outcome is serious enough that all providers
should be listed as responsible providers. Maybe administration of naloxone in the PACU
can be called out separately
● Emily: Is Nalbuphine included?
○ Guarav Katta: Not currently included in the measure.
● Patrick Henson (Vanderbilt): Honestly use in PACU is likely more clinically significant,
don’t we think?
● Mike Mathis (MPOG Research Director): If studying PACU administration, would be
interesting to break down by time... for example (1) first 30 minutes of PACU stay, (2)
30-60 minutes in PACU, (3) after 60 minutes into PACU stay
○ Gaurav Katta (Henry Ford) via chat: If we make PACU a separate measure we may as
well eliminate the intraop measure completely since the rate of intraop use will be
extremely low
● Shafeena Nurani (Corewell Health-East Troy) via chat: I like the idea of making PACU use
a separate measure
● Karen Domino (University of Washington): Not sure we need to break out PACU
separately- more important that people look at the measure since incidence is so low.
● Michael Andreae (UUtah) via chat: Is Naloxone at low dose given for itching when no IV
opioids are in play? Epidural with fentanyl and local, itching prophylaxis with low dose
Naloxone?
● Mike Mathis (MPOG Research Director): Do any QI champions have stories where
providers would avoid treatment for opioid overdose to pass the measure?
○ Kate Buehler (MPOG Coordinating Center): To avoid this I think it makes sense to
make this measure departmental only
○ Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): I agree with the measure being departmental
only but still think all providers involved should be listed in the dashboard to
facilitate case review
○ John LaGorio (Mercy Muskegon): When educating providers about this measure I
was very clear that when Narcan is needed it should be given and that this measure
isn’t punitive
■ Mike Mathis (MPOG Research Director) via chat: Really enlightening insights
John -- agree with that approach, being transparent about goal... avoid the
"Narcan necessary situation" rather than avoid giving narcan
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